Comments worth noting: “what stays between Somalis, stays between Somalis”

Update: Please click on comments below and see ‘Somali woman’s’ response to this post.

I was away yesterday, but when I came home I found lots of comments that needed posting—two in particular were intriguing.  They are in response to my post on the trial opening for the Virginia man accused of smuggling Somalis into the US and they both came in near each other timewise.

The commenters Abdi and ‘Somali woman’ claim to be Somalis and she says “what stays between Somalis, stays between Somalis.”   So, if they are really Somalis, why then did they say so much to RRW.

Here is Abdi:

Oh yeah you are very right actually thats not it only Hispanics are also more friendly to Somalis or Ethiopians than they are to white Americans. Somalis also speak a variety of languages that can help them like: Somali, Arabic, English, Spanish, Italian makes them able to communicate with the outside world and they actually handle it very well. For ecxample the Refugee Settlement Program fraud that they discovered recently has been existing among Somalis ever since for the past 20 yrs not only that but also in other countries like Kenya, Ethiopia, and Yemen. For example the femenist atheist Somali activist Ayan Hersi Ali has been in the Netherlands illegaly with a fake identity, passport and false story for the past 20-25 yrs and has reached the hieght of a parliment member in the Dutch government with this false identity. She actually handeled it very profressionally till discovered in 2007. So don’t be surprised if Somalis live here with false identities and passports I mean they can really trick the F.B.I for God sakes and the F.B.I are very slow since they were alerted very soon. I know many Somalis who live here with false identities. So if they lie to the Refugee Settlement Program (because they bring more Somalis who are their friends or from the same tribe) and come through the border to the U.S and Canada and other stuff is not something new it is something very old but hidden till those sell outs blurted and babbled to the feds. We are taking over America and since you have a Black president who doesn’t seem to care its a piece of cake for us.

Abdi is not the first to tell us they are taking over America, here another Abdi (a common Somali name) says the same thing.

This is ‘Somali woman/’ yesterday:

Its ok we have known this for years you guys have just discovered illegal Somalis entering the U.S from the south they’ve been entering the U.S and Canada ever since I can remember. This isn’t something new at all it was known but kept secret there are many secerts held in Somali communities all around North America just not told to the world. Like the young Somali boys who left America for Jihad in Somalia it was known but some Somalis who were very worried about their sons blurted to the F.B.I but many other Somalis knew about this before even before it was said Somalis began leaving the country for Jihad in Somalia. They began leaving in many numbers around the world starting from 2006 you guys are very late in your discovery Somalis hold many dangerous secerts and if the governments of the Western world found out there would be trouble for them. Its the saying “what stays between Somalis, stays between Somalis” and that is why Omar Jamal * of the Advocacy Somali Center is considered a sell-out by many Somalis in Minneapolis except for a very few, most Somalis don’t trust him either. Just a little update on this border thing Somalis began entering from the Mexican border to Arizona, Texas, and California starting from 2004 not now its not something new at all it is just a discovery from the feds thats it, and they are very late.

So to recap:

* ‘Somali woman’ says Somalis have been coming across the southern border since 2004.  The information only seems new because our incompetent law enforcement has just figured it out.

* ‘Somali woman’ says Somali youths have been leaving the US for Jihad training since 2006.   She/he says we only figured that out recently because of blabbing parents in the Somali ‘community.’

* ‘Somali woman’ basically says Omar Jamal is a traitor to Somalis.

* Abdi says the fraud in the refugee resettlement program has gone on for 20 years.

* Abdi says the FBI is very slow to act on this because they have known about it for a long time.

* Abdi says they are taking over America and that is now a piece of cake since Obama is President.

All of this rings true, but I’m not sure the authors of these comments are really Somalis or simply people who have read up on the issues.  Readers, what do you think?


For new readers, more Somalis are already on the way (in addition to the illegal ones cited above):

The US State Department has admitted over 80,000 Somali refugees to the US (this linked post continues to be one of the most widely read posts we have ever written) in the last 25 years and then in 2008 had to suspend family reunification because widespread immigration fraud was revealed through DNA testing.  That specific program has not yet been reopened (that we know of), but will be soon.

Nevertheless, thousands of Somali Muslims continue to be resettled by the State Department as I write this. We recently learned that we will be taking 6000 Somalis this year from one camp in Uganda and as many as 11,000-13,000 total from around the world.

Through the Refugee Resettlement program alone 2141 legal Somalis have already arrived in this fiscal year (2010) as of April 30th with an unknown number arriving through other legal programs and  illegally across both our borders.


* Learn more than you want to know about Omar Jamal by searching for his name here at RRW.  We have written dozens of posts on his comings and goings.  At one point he was convicted of immigration fraud and should have been deported—-kind of like the Aunt Zeituni case.

Comment worth noting: maybe we found one of the 270 missing Somalis

Back in February we told you that ICE was looking for 270 illegal Somalis who have reportedly disappeared into the US.  Today we got this comment to that post from a reader calling himself “Money.”   Normally we don’t post comments with foul language but I thought this comment was telling.

U knw we are muslim we supports each other who said that somalis are poor ? If somalis are poor cn’t live 20yrs witout covernment cn’t do busness over this s*** world ‘, somalis are richiest people on this world ‘ f*** u america , they kill us and they kill us mind , there isn’t terrorists in thiz world , america are terrorists , who made terrorists? and who supportz terrorists? america access money to terrorists ‘ u knw alshabal in somalia , where did they get money ? America access money to shabab ‘the fact is that , we are n’t blind , we have eyes , and we will kill you someday in ur home yeah , we got experience last 20yrs ,and we knew ever road to come your home , f*** u america , don’t think that somalis will ends , america will ends before somali , f*** u america im going to kill ur home someday  f*** u f*** u ,

Charming huh!

Comment worth noting: Help me get resettled

I’m posting this comment just to once again make the point that we are not a resettlement agency and we are not a part of the government.  We are simply a clearinghouse of news (news that hasn’t been glossed over) about the refugee program.  We are increasingly hearing from refugees from around the world, often with very personal information asking us to help them get to the US. (We just trash those appeals.)

Twice on our home page we have stated that we have no official role and have asked that we not be contacted to help with a prospective refugee’s appeal. 

I’m posting this just to let you know the types of things we hear—this one because he/she hasn’t given out a case number or other private information.  I won’t post his/her name.   But, I am struck by the fact that the writer has a pretty good command of English and has an e-mail account, so am thinking he/she is not some poor poverty stricken camp dweller.

I would like to know some information regarding the left out Bhutanese People in Nepal. What would be there future, I mean those people who could not get registered because left camp for the living as it was taking time to follow up the procedure.

Also to those people who do not have lost parents after reaching Nepal from Bhutan….
I am also one of them, I do not have father and I was brought by my mother from Bhutan when I was small. And She had to struggled lot for our survival and there was no one to guide her for the registration because she did not know the procedure… She was unsuccessful thought she had tried and had finally given up for the same. My mother passed away few years back living us behind and we do not know anything about our family and our origin… still wondering in Nepal…. Moreover we do not have supporting documents apart from few document from Bhutan related to our school certificates and few other documents which mother happened to preserved.

Please advice on this…..

Thank you

Readers, the “Bhutanese” are really Nepalese who had lived for a long time in Bhutan.  Many were expelled from Bhutan and have lived in camps in Nepal where Nepal won’t repatriate them.  So now we are in the process of taking 60,000 over 5 years.

Go here to see the latest numbers.   For FY2010 (October 1, 09 to end of Feb. 10) we have taken 5,373 Bhutanese.  In FY09 we took 13,452 and in FY08 we took 5,320.   It is very likely that most of those refugees now resettled in the US are not working.

I’ve asked this question before, how come these people don’t seem to have a clue about where to apply for refugee status?

Which reminds me!   It is the International Organization for Migration that runs the Bhutanese project, here.

Comment worth noting: Kansas City refugee agency treated us badly

Readers, this is a comment from an Iraqi refugee who has had problems in Kansas City, MO with his resettlement agency, Jewish Vocational Services (JVS) a subcontractor of the US Committee for Refugees and Immigrants (USCRI).  He is not the first to have problems with JVS.  To get the full story you should read back through 5 posts archived here.

Some readers will be tempted to be angry at the Iraqi man.  Don’t be.  It is not his fault that someone along the line sold him a bill of goods about what he was going to get in the US if he signed up to come here.   And, these agencies like JVS are almost completely funded with your tax money and we should be demanding they treat refugees decently or get out of the business!   

Presently the National Security Council under the direction of Samantha Power is doing a supposed reform of the program, but they are too chicken, as is the US State Department, to take on these powerful FEDERAL CONTRACTORS like USCRI and it is sickening to watch.  Incidentally, former USCRI VP, Eskinder Negash, is now head of the entire Office of Refugee Resettlement in the Dept. of Health and Human Services and is in charge of handing out goodies (your money) to his old friends. 

Anyway here is our commenter today.  He is a brave guy for speaking out, so let’s hope he is helped and not punished for doing so.

Dear Sir
I’m the Iraqi refugee [name removed for his safety]

I would like to announce to you what happened to us since our arrival to America, so far.
We arrived on 3 \ 12 \ 2009 and lived in a hotel and after I entered the hospital for treatment in that time the agency which responsible of us it call JVS they came and took my family to the unhealthy house and full of insects which it forced my family to live in it and but they threatened my family that if they did not live in this house they will not pay for hotel.

My family returned to the hotel and we pay to live in the hotel …. That’s make me leave the hospital on my own and I went to the agency which it responsible for us and threatened to complain against them so they admission that they was guilty and apologized to us & they pay for hotel …… Then try to fixed the house and they deal with us to live in the house temporarily until they find another house, and so was the agreement but they didn’t do what we deal and we lived in the house for two months and they came after that and said that they will deduct from each cash assistant 90% …. When I calculated by Wright that it would stay $ 80 we spend during the month, & you know its not enough for one person . we told them make it $ 150 …. but they refused on the one hand and the other hand, they said if we did not sign the lease contract of the house in which we refuse to live in it than it would chase us that’s make me rent an apartment on my our own account.

So they cut all assistant which they submitted them to us and let us live this tragedy.
and since we got so far ….. We hope that you will help us in finding a solution to the diamonds that we have come to the United States on 3 \ 12 \ 2009 period that is to say that we have no more than four months and you tell us that the aid will continue for the duration of 8 months, and they also said that …

We hope that this pleasant note of the way we live in the state of Missouri in Kansas City …. By the way this problem started on 1\3\2010
Note:- what we know that the government give $450 to each one when arrived to the city ( its gift) ………. But they took it & didn’t gave it to us

Remember the other day at the “celebration” for the 30th anniversary of the Refugee Resettlement Act of 1980 a Burmese refugee asked “where is the money going?”  We would like to know the answer to that too!

Check the numbers here!  Note that the Obama Administration is on target to bring 80,000 refugees to the US in the middle of the recession.  Iraqis are presently topping the list of refugees arriving.  I believe Obama and his minions are deliberately destabilizing US cities by using the refugees and immigrants as pawns in a larger political game.  It is the only explanation that makes any sense.  Remember this:

I’m reminded of the Iraqi boy wise beyond his years!    I told you about him in September of 2008, here.   He summed up his observations about the unhappy situation with Iraqi refugees in a letter to the editor to the Tucson Citizen with this line:

It is better to have 10 Iraqi refugees who are satisfied with their lives than having 100 angry ones with no life at all.

Frankly, the State Department should be readying airlifts home for any refugee profoundly angry or unhappy (paid for out of the funds of the volag that didn’t do its job)!  But, they won’t, because to do so they would have to admit that the whole program is flawed, so they just let the refugees suffer.  So much for compassion!

Frustrated and sick of this?  Complain here!   Do not forget to copy your complaints to your two US Senators and your Congressman (add in your governor and state representatives for good measure).

Comments worth noting: Turmoil growing in Ft. Wayne over laundromat sign incident

The Ft. Wayne, IN laundromat sign story continues to be our top story for the past week at RRW.   Below are two comments to the story that indicate how heated the issue has become.   A couple of years ago (January 2008) I advocated, as did a writer at the News-Sentinel,  that Ft. Wayne needed a PUBLIC meeting to discuss the future of the refugee resettlement program in Ft. Wayne.  Instead the mayor recently held a closed meeting and a few months back the Asst Secretary of State for Population, Refugees and Migration traveled to Ft. Wayne to see for himself the problems that existed there with the huge refugee population.  I doubt any citizen of Ft. Wayne who has problems with refugee resettlement was in that meeting.  (more here on Schwartz visit).

By the way, the Maine Center for Prevention of Hate Violence plans to show up in Ft. Wayne one of these days and it too is planning CLOSED MEETINGS.

Here then are two comments we received about the growing controversy.  Note in the second comment the local refugee advocates are spreading the Ft. Wayne story far and wide.   Although I haven’t seen it published anywhere, the word on the street is that the man who posted the ‘offensive’ sign is a BLACK employee of the now vilified local business man.

From Native:

This situation in Fort Wayne is on going, and has gotten worse by the day.
The Mayors politically correct statement to the Burmese community that took a week to write before publishing has only fanned the flames of outrage from the majority of Fort Waynes citizens of long harbored, long ignored grievances, struggles, over the large refugee influx crisis of Karen, Mon, Chin, Muslim Karen tribes.

Some say the sign was discriminatory, of course, but it was taken down, a public apology was made. A commenter,’don’t tread on me’ said to wane news,’Rickers went to the Burmese Council and had a sign made about what was acceptable and what was not( in Burmese)…it was ignored. New immigrants[refugees] are guests to this country. When you are a guest you treat your host with respect. Urinating and spitting is not respectful behavior. The Burmese council now needs to apologize to the community. Was Ricker’s right in putting the sign up no, but catholic charities, the federal government, and the Burmese council have an obligation to educate these folks. We as community are insulted by the behavior of, hopefully a small group. Now the Burmese[refugees] need to step up to plate and acknowledge the lack communication with those in their community.’

Some are saying to the refugees, o.k.,have your Burmese leaders sue us, but we will in turn, arrest you for not only spitting in public places, urinating in public, but also smearing feces in public.

Why haven’t the same rules been applied to refugees as to Fort Wayne American citizens? Because they have been told to practice tolerance, compassion, patience for a beleaguered people, and are hit on all sides by Catholic Charities, World Relief, Lutheran Services, all the other hundreds of ECBOs in town , and now by their own mayor. Even the Allen Co. Health Dept. got in on the act and submitted a comment to ‘give help’ to all the TB, Hep A B C D infected refugees, even after it has been publicly acknowledged these refugees are peeing, spitting, smearing poop in public places.

Where is World Relief? They have a site here in Fort Wayne, the first in Indiana. They located here specifically for the Burmese refugees, and the on going influx crisis. There has not been one iota mentioned about this resettlement agency recently, by anyone. Come on, they are here to prevent issues such as this one from occurring. Or are they a ghost agency.  They opened a site here, hired Burmese to handle Burmese refugee problems with American citizens as well as between each other, as refugees, or as American Burmese.

By the way, just this past Tuesday I attended the “celebration” of the 30th anniversary of the Refugee Resettlement Act and a Burmese activist told the audience that enough is not being done to teach Burmese how to live in the US—to understand our culture and her criticism was clearly directed toward the federal contractors whose job it is to resettle refugees in your towns and cities.

From Ellen:

Christine Marshal, the current consultant of the Multicultural Council of Fort Wayne that is funded by the Knight Foundation, and supported by United Way, took it upon herself to post the controversial sign on Facebook, perhaps knowing, or maybe not knowing what a tsunami it would create.

This is what she said recently;
‘There are many organizations that are helping to educate the refugees – all of them, not just the Burmese. It’s a huge effort. We just don’t advertise what we’re doing because 1) doing the work is the right thing to do, and 2) we’re putting in so many hours that we don’t have time to sing our own praises. What we do need is for the community to be aware that our government brought these people here, we must help them assimilate, and we must be patient in the meantime. I challenge anyone to go to a Mon Day celebration, or a Karen wrist-tying ceremony, or a Burmese cultural day or any of the other cultures, and not realize what wonderful gifts they have brought to our community. Their culture, art, music, and customs are unique and add color to our world. Yes, more needs to be done. But obviously, right now, the community needs to address this unfortunate incident – learn from it, and make sure it never happens again – to anyone.’
March 9 at 5:06am

This blatant posting to the international community of a sign ignorantly put up by a fed-up employee, not the owner of the business, has only made a decisive fracture between the refugees, the American Burmese in the community whom are whooping up the rally cry to take off the head, literally, of a prominant, well known, philantropical business owner who employs hundreds; and the regular citizens of Fort Wayne.

The mayor invited a meet-up with the Burmese, the Burmese advocates of ECBOs, NGOs, CC, but the public was not invited.

Is this the way to resolve the long on-going issues between the Burmese, refugees, and the regular homegrown citizens of Fort Wayne? No!

Marshal,the mayor, and others have obviously lost the will, interest, or initiative to embrace the rest of the regular struggling, homegrown community, and share of their frustrations of being ignored on refugee issues in extremely critical times. Maybe it is because the regular homegrown Americans costumes, art, music, culture, needs, are just not as exotic, colorful, novel or challenging, enough, as the refugees, according to Marshal.

The citizens of Ft. Wayne should be demanding a public meeting.  Bring all the so-called “stake-holders” into one auditorium and have them explain the whole program to the public and let the citizens of Ft. Wayne ask all the questions they wish.  This all needs a good airing!  Citizens of Ft. Wayne, do not be intimidated by those who will call you names for demanding you have a say in the future of your city.

No public meeting, then maybe it’s time for a new mayor?

Meanwhile Catholic Charities is going to now overload Indianapolis, here.  Maybe someone should alert citizens of Indianapolis about the issues on-going in Ft. Wayne!